icerunner

Yo, you surely bring up some good points, and i'm really not trying to flame anyone. I'm just trying having some fun, my life is boring.
Remember, this is a "Steering part" In most cases, to avoid expensive lawsuits from a product failure on the highway, when a potentially defective part causes someones tire to go sideways at high speeds (and cause them to "die").. Also, to avoid cost of returns from defects and the potential loss of a vendor(s) ($$$), they will try to make the best part possible to sell to as many companies as possible. This is not a piston. Its just a "tie rod", tolerances are very important, yet these parts are mostly made by automated computerized machines these days..Tolerances are tight.

I don't have a rockwell machine. Just my own critical eyes, $85.00 extra in my pocket, a Lifetime warranty, and last but not least.. a smile on my face.

bain

ive used the cheapies and ive used the moogs..the moogs lasted way longer and are still going

KrashDH

This statement is true and not true. I work in a machine shop where we not only manufacture parts but we do the heat treating as well.

Depending on the part and the type of heat treating it gets (surface or thru hardening), it can be heat treated before or after the manufacture process. We heat treat some of our parts before the cnc process. Once that outer surface gets turned or milled, it's back to looking like normal steel. The only way to determine the type of treating it's had is by a harness test...

KrashDH

This needs to be understood. Perfect statement.

Once again, true and not true. you have to understand manufacturing processes and machines before a statement like this can be made. There is a ton that cnc lathe's and mills can do, and the potential is incredible. This part (or assembly) probably has multiple processes that it goes through with cnc machines. But it comes down to an operator who is overseeing and checking the tolerances...essentially running the program.

And just because it's computerized, doesn't mean it can't come out of tolerance. You have to consider tool wear, the jig/holder setup, any types of defections because of forces, the rigidity of the whole setup, etc.

Products with tight tolerances cost more money. Simple as that It takes more time (whether it's the programming side or the operation side) to ensure that everything is tight. Also have to consider material. There are may different types of steel and aluminum that to the naked eye, look the same.

bain

nuff said

icerunner

Yo, several of you are talking purely hypotheticals on the "possible" extra heat treatment of the Moogs. Specifically, no one really has any clue of that taking place, and either do I.

However, any of you can buy a Moog tie rod for a 99' runner and then proceed to prance on over to the local Autozone to compare it to the "Duralast" and guess what.. the same stampings, rubber boot, same little green card, castle nut, cotter pin, and same metal shaft. This we all know (or can easily verify). It's a fact that they appear to be the same.
Hypothetical "added heat treatment".. We can not know, And quite frankly, I really don't care... I have a lifetime warranty and that's a fact, not a hypothetical.

And no, you don't always get what you pay for.

As in this case, the cheepies are the "Moogs", and the Moogs are the cheepies.
Because, at least for the Duralast, the tie rods are the very same part... Just a different box.. Oh yea, don't forget the extra $85.00 in savings in my pocket! HA-ha.

Midget96

There is no way in hell all the 555 parts have different tolerances or specs based upon the brand they're sold under. That's just ridiculous. These parts are low volume at this point, and no factory is going to produce 6 different models of the same part. I can't even fathom why someone would think this was happening.

troyboy162

there talking about "binning" meaning at the end of the production line some are closer to perfect then others. then "theoretically" the better parts can then go into the moog boxes.

this thread has been a great read for me as im in the market for some lower ball joints.

mrddk92

I bought some tre's from autohausaz.com and they were in an orange box marked 555...but they had grease fittings. Do the moogs or autozone tre's have zyrk fittings?

mrddk92

mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

yotaman85

the "555" company makes allot of OEM parts for toyota and mitsubishi, they are made to the specs you mentioned earlier, BUT they also ship parts off to get heat treated and/or cryo treated to buyers specs. kinda like gasoline, yea it all comes from the same pipe, but each individual company adds their own stuff to make it "better". and heat treating or cryo treating does not necessarily discolor the material.

broncrider

they way i see it. its like comparing stanley tools to my snap on tools. ya they look the same but there wrenchs wont take the beating that my snap on will. or any other mac maco. ( im a snap-on guy). but thats the way that i see this.

camo31_10.50

when i was at my Vo-tech shop..they have sent back more snap-on tools than stanley's...just sayin lol..

most were Impact wrenches though lol they got used a lot..but the stanley's got used the same amount

TonkaYota

Guys I work at advance auto part & I did ask this same question. Moog is heat treated and has a few lil extras with it as for the cheaper brand dont, so if your buying it for your yota go moog.

KZN185W

iTrader: (1)

there are "555" parts that are made in either china or taiwan and these look like the genuine 555 parts that are made in japan...

aowRS

A lifetime warranty on cheaper tie rod ends sounds great, but quickly becomes false economy if you have to replace them more often and then pay for yet another alignment...


Andreas

yayfortrees

I realize I'm a little late on this thread, but I would like to jump in. The Moog TREs I just recieved don't say 555. They say Moog Problem Solvers.

Now the center link I just recieved, supposedly Moog, has Three (555) Five Made in Japan stamped on the ball studs. One of the ball studs does not feel good at all. It feels like it is junk. I have been trying to figure out if I recieved a cheap part in a moog box, or a moog part in a moog box? I'm so freaking tired of reading about this that I think I'm going to just run it. That, and I don't want to wait for another center link to show up.

Any comments or ideas?

Dan.3

In the spirit of halloween, im bring a thread back from the dead. I think there is a very good possibility that it could be a moog part in a duralast box. Diehard did it with an oddessy battery. Just out of curiosity, has anyone tried the autozone tie rod ends. If so any feed back?

snowshredder555

x2, I'm in the market for some BJ's and TRE's...would like some feedback from those who actually wheel and use their rig as a DD/WW.
Thanks,

-Ted

westjohns yota

i found a complete front end set on ebay for 100$ (ball jonts, tire rods, etc) im not sure of the company though but im considering trying it out since it would be better than the front i currently have which is none loL!