this swap is going to go down in HISTORY.. give me your .02 Canadian or .04 US
02-08-2010, 06:19 AM
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the yank - Pt I
Gas drive train is about 50% yanked. I’ve got the head off, the accy, the carb, tranny and motor separated. But still in car.
Looking for a new hoist now to buy or borrow. .( anyone in San Antonio area watching got one ? ) I sold my full size engine hoist a year ago because originally I didn’t plan ahead and didn’t realize I should have bought the folding one and not the full size crane edition that I had at the time.. full size TOO much floor space in already cramped garage.
On the very VERY bright side, I think I have the head and Carb sold for exactly what I paid for this donor body! A guys coming down from Austin to buy them both. Or so he says. That’s the best kind of donor body, a free perfect one.
So far ive seen -
Exhaust – both gas and diesel its on firewall side. Debating on putting an entirely new exhaust or just removing the cat from this system and dealing with its small diameter. Since body had no rust of any kind the exhaust is in nearly new condition..
Alternator – gas- its on front side, diesel – firewall side, and it has the built in vacuum pump like the alternator on my datsun diesel. . it may in fact be the exact same model generator. I don’t want to make the same mistake I made on my 83 Volvo 242 GT when I swapped the drive train to a 92.. getting stuck with accy things from the 83 and needing things from the 93 as well.. resulted in clutter. Im thinking I will remove everything as far as vacuum and the vast majority of non-body related wiring, then just re-install what I absolutely need. On, (off will be a choke cable) charge, temp, temp, temp, temp, rpm, pyrometer, fuel temp, and so forth. This EGR controlled carb had far too much accy crapola. . I pity the tech that would ever have to fix its emissions.
Pass motor mount and drive trans mount are in identical configurations. ( massive sigh of relief ) Belly oil pans on both motors seem to be the same configuration as well.
Once the rains let up I’m shopping my junkyard for a Non-power steering rack for my 85 Corolla, so I don’t have to bother bolting up the power steering on mine. I assume that the vast majority of euro / jap cars do not have PS anyway. Why are Americans such pansies?
Japan motor had digital speedometer output. Unplugging that, ( as with many other transaxles ) you have the hole to plug in the mechanical speedometer gear assy from the older style USA gas motor. I assume the speedometer gear output of the japan motor may be in Kilimeters but ill cope with that ( LOL )
Considering switching out the 1985 Corolla radiator fans for maybe like, 2000 era Lexus Low-profile fans. Higher air volume, less amps. Far smaller brushless DC motor as opposed to massive old school electric motors on the 85. Im going to need all the extra room I can find for the filter assys.
Still havnt decided on a fuel pressure regulator for this system, or the exact SVO/Diesel switch types. I’m pretty sure I do not want to go electrical servo and want them to be all fully manual type valves.
Looking for a new hoist now to buy or borrow. .( anyone in San Antonio area watching got one ? ) I sold my full size engine hoist a year ago because originally I didn’t plan ahead and didn’t realize I should have bought the folding one and not the full size crane edition that I had at the time.. full size TOO much floor space in already cramped garage.
On the very VERY bright side, I think I have the head and Carb sold for exactly what I paid for this donor body! A guys coming down from Austin to buy them both. Or so he says. That’s the best kind of donor body, a free perfect one.
So far ive seen -
Exhaust – both gas and diesel its on firewall side. Debating on putting an entirely new exhaust or just removing the cat from this system and dealing with its small diameter. Since body had no rust of any kind the exhaust is in nearly new condition..
Alternator – gas- its on front side, diesel – firewall side, and it has the built in vacuum pump like the alternator on my datsun diesel. . it may in fact be the exact same model generator. I don’t want to make the same mistake I made on my 83 Volvo 242 GT when I swapped the drive train to a 92.. getting stuck with accy things from the 83 and needing things from the 93 as well.. resulted in clutter. Im thinking I will remove everything as far as vacuum and the vast majority of non-body related wiring, then just re-install what I absolutely need. On, (off will be a choke cable) charge, temp, temp, temp, temp, rpm, pyrometer, fuel temp, and so forth. This EGR controlled carb had far too much accy crapola. . I pity the tech that would ever have to fix its emissions.
Pass motor mount and drive trans mount are in identical configurations. ( massive sigh of relief ) Belly oil pans on both motors seem to be the same configuration as well.
Once the rains let up I’m shopping my junkyard for a Non-power steering rack for my 85 Corolla, so I don’t have to bother bolting up the power steering on mine. I assume that the vast majority of euro / jap cars do not have PS anyway. Why are Americans such pansies?
Japan motor had digital speedometer output. Unplugging that, ( as with many other transaxles ) you have the hole to plug in the mechanical speedometer gear assy from the older style USA gas motor. I assume the speedometer gear output of the japan motor may be in Kilimeters but ill cope with that ( LOL )
Considering switching out the 1985 Corolla radiator fans for maybe like, 2000 era Lexus Low-profile fans. Higher air volume, less amps. Far smaller brushless DC motor as opposed to massive old school electric motors on the 85. Im going to need all the extra room I can find for the filter assys.
Still havnt decided on a fuel pressure regulator for this system, or the exact SVO/Diesel switch types. I’m pretty sure I do not want to go electrical servo and want them to be all fully manual type valves.
02-09-2010, 03:19 PM
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( Shhhhhh.... vato.... sheeeesh... thats ANOTHER time.... dont mention the 79 RWD in this 85 FWD thread until the body is at the shop getting stripped and sprayed and i have the V6 twin cam with the TRD supercharger atop it waiting to go in from the engine stand. . )
02-09-2010, 03:30 PM
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What hasn't been mentioned is the engine will get good mileage BECAUSE it has no horsepower and accelerates like a horsedrawn carriage. Any small turbodiesel engine would get the same mileage if you were very light on the throttle, because you would be burning the same amount of fuel. But you would have the option to accelerate much faster if desired (and burn more fuel in the process).
There isn't anything magic about this specific combination of engine/vehicle. Slow : good mileage :: Fast : Poor Mileage
02-09-2010, 09:11 PM
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Hah his greasel datsun has a 0-60 time of 5.7!! Minutes that is. But it smells like fried chicken wherever he goes, so I'd say it's a pretty good tradeoff...
02-09-2010, 09:13 PM
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He isn't designing anything, he's putting a naturally aspirated diesel engine in a small car. It's bound to have good mileage, and terrible acceleration.
What hasn't been mentioned is the engine will get good mileage BECAUSE it has no horsepower and accelerates like a horsedrawn carriage. Any small turbodiesel engine would get the same mileage if you were very light on the throttle, because you would be burning the same amount of fuel. But you would have the option to accelerate much faster if desired (and burn more fuel in the process).
There isn't anything magic about this specific combination of engine/vehicle. Slow : good mileage :: Fast : Poor Mileage
What hasn't been mentioned is the engine will get good mileage BECAUSE it has no horsepower and accelerates like a horsedrawn carriage. Any small turbodiesel engine would get the same mileage if you were very light on the throttle, because you would be burning the same amount of fuel. But you would have the option to accelerate much faster if desired (and burn more fuel in the process).
There isn't anything magic about this specific combination of engine/vehicle. Slow : good mileage :: Fast : Poor Mileage
02-09-2010, 09:29 PM
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its in its new home.
my datsun greasel does have the accel of a horse drawn lorry. and, a SLOW horse drawn one at that, one of those re-tired old horses. with a bad hoof, a gimp, a FAT jockey, and out of control constipation. but, eventually it will get up to 70 or 80 if i want it to, and first gear really isnt that bad an accel anyway once her fryers hot. . think the accel of like, ... an 84' Escort wagon, with the one bbl carb, or one single injector. .and a few passengers. its slow, but, there are worse.
if im gentle with the Datsuns throttle, the most MPG its ever gotten is 65mpg on a tank on a long road trip. . that was a mostly stock SD22 in a HEAVY datsun 3/4 ton pickup.
back to the threads origins, yeah, my corolla greasel will be slow. yes, not as slow as my datsun,
and tonight, .. the Corollas 1.8 Diesel was dropped in. with ..Exarkun007s help.
3 out of 4 motor mounts bolt up. the Passengers motor mount must be redone totally on the frame .there needs to be a new mount bracket about 4-5". back the drivers side fit fine. the lower 2 fit fine.
actually planning on just adding one bracket, and using the rear of the actual gas bracket.. should line up fine. well see soon.
many further details and pics to follow.
if im gentle with the Datsuns throttle, the most MPG its ever gotten is 65mpg on a tank on a long road trip. . that was a mostly stock SD22 in a HEAVY datsun 3/4 ton pickup.
back to the threads origins, yeah, my corolla greasel will be slow. yes, not as slow as my datsun,
and tonight, .. the Corollas 1.8 Diesel was dropped in. with ..Exarkun007s help.
3 out of 4 motor mounts bolt up. the Passengers motor mount must be redone totally on the frame .there needs to be a new mount bracket about 4-5". back the drivers side fit fine. the lower 2 fit fine.
actually planning on just adding one bracket, and using the rear of the actual gas bracket.. should line up fine. well see soon.
many further details and pics to follow.
02-11-2010, 05:56 PM
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we need pics! i think this will be awesome. got any pics of your datsun? i used to have an 83 datsun 720. mine was a Z24 engine. that was a great truck and fun as hell to drive around. i know what you mean by heavy - that thing's got some thick sheet metal. i had to sell mine because i wanted a 4x4 and couldn't afford 2 trucks, but I'm sure the 16yr old that was getting it as a surprise b-day gift was happy.
i used to have an 83 K5 blazer with a 6.2L diesel and since it was a dog with natural aspiration, i had strongly contemplated either turbocharging it or putting it on propane injection. never got around to it, but you should think about it. i recall a conversation with a buddy of mine once and he always said that the ultimate gas saver would be a VW Golf TDI with propane injection. said it should get in the 75-100mpg range. i think with the aerodynamics and weight of your corolla, you'll get around 50-75mpg no problem.
i used to have an 83 K5 blazer with a 6.2L diesel and since it was a dog with natural aspiration, i had strongly contemplated either turbocharging it or putting it on propane injection. never got around to it, but you should think about it. i recall a conversation with a buddy of mine once and he always said that the ultimate gas saver would be a VW Golf TDI with propane injection. said it should get in the 75-100mpg range. i think with the aerodynamics and weight of your corolla, you'll get around 50-75mpg no problem.
02-23-2010, 07:53 AM
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my Cummins 4BT3.9 has a turbo, but its a BIG RIG turbo. thing is HUGE, its cheap to rebuild, ( you can fit a family of asians in side the turbo ) and the cummins was made to have the turbo on it. its way beef'ier than the lil toyota 1.8 i got.
long term economy , reliability, turbos dont belong in cars. you can do more with just experienced engine tuning. . my .02.
long term economy , reliability, turbos dont belong in cars. you can do more with just experienced engine tuning. . my .02.
When you say you can do more with an N/A engine, with just tuning, are you talking about power or mpg's?
07-23-2010, 08:25 AM
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Ive been doing this for ten years.
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comments should always be taken cum grano salis . “evil” is just an opinion I have formed. It’s a viewpoint, nothing more. Everyone has a freedom and right to set up performance, torque, mpg, etc, etc, how they see fit. I have had a few turbos I loved in the past.
I just usually see the worst end of many sticks. I will tell you one turbo story I remember ..a customers 1990 Volvo 740 Turbo, equip with the crappier mitsu turbo ( two were avail on that car, the Gar, and the Mitsu dsm ) . .he had 275 k miles, and I was doing a full in depth inspection. . he had ZERO turbo play / ZERO wear in it.. he was a commuter, I asked, how, what do you do to keep it so new? .. he said full synthetic oil change every 4 or 5 k. that’s about the only positive turbo story I recall. No turbo timer, no other mods. Just syn regularly.
So.. anyways.. in the years, and years, and years, and years, of experience I have..( I mostly do emergency roadsides nowdays, screwing tourists pays more on the hours. .) Sometimes, im in the middle of nowhere, and I have to improvise to say the least. Sometimes, im doing work referred to me from a dealer or another shop. I have 97.4 % of my experience with gas motors, but personally, for my own fleet, I prefer diesels. Long term reliability, and lots of flex for fuel digestion. All the customers drained fluids go straight into my fuel tanks. I just opted no turbo on this project because in my own experience, long term, its not as reliable in my climate, ( think record heat and not enough oil cooling on earth to save it ) and the mpg would be slightly less. If I was aiming for more power, or running a mostly propane mix.. it might be more of a benefit, but.. not this time.
My choices of N/A aspiration on this project are far just too long to sum up in one paragraph. It’s my decades of experience. If someone wants to use them, that’s their given right. They are a mod that’s within reason. I’ve even contemplated at times putting a turbo the size of a full grown pitbull on my Cummins 4BT3.9…
So.. anways.. On MPG increase with a turbo, I have to disagree. I have seen several turbo cars that with the turbo disconnected or locked up.. the mpg went up exponentially.
Ive never seen ones mpg increase with it. I don’t know anyone on earth that has that sort of willpower with the right foot.
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comments should always be taken cum grano salis . “evil” is just an opinion I have formed. It’s a viewpoint, nothing more. Everyone has a freedom and right to set up performance, torque, mpg, etc, etc, how they see fit. I have had a few turbos I loved in the past.
I just usually see the worst end of many sticks. I will tell you one turbo story I remember ..a customers 1990 Volvo 740 Turbo, equip with the crappier mitsu turbo ( two were avail on that car, the Gar, and the Mitsu dsm ) . .he had 275 k miles, and I was doing a full in depth inspection. . he had ZERO turbo play / ZERO wear in it.. he was a commuter, I asked, how, what do you do to keep it so new? .. he said full synthetic oil change every 4 or 5 k. that’s about the only positive turbo story I recall. No turbo timer, no other mods. Just syn regularly.
So.. anyways.. in the years, and years, and years, and years, of experience I have..( I mostly do emergency roadsides nowdays, screwing tourists pays more on the hours. .) Sometimes, im in the middle of nowhere, and I have to improvise to say the least. Sometimes, im doing work referred to me from a dealer or another shop. I have 97.4 % of my experience with gas motors, but personally, for my own fleet, I prefer diesels. Long term reliability, and lots of flex for fuel digestion. All the customers drained fluids go straight into my fuel tanks. I just opted no turbo on this project because in my own experience, long term, its not as reliable in my climate, ( think record heat and not enough oil cooling on earth to save it ) and the mpg would be slightly less. If I was aiming for more power, or running a mostly propane mix.. it might be more of a benefit, but.. not this time.
My choices of N/A aspiration on this project are far just too long to sum up in one paragraph. It’s my decades of experience. If someone wants to use them, that’s their given right. They are a mod that’s within reason. I’ve even contemplated at times putting a turbo the size of a full grown pitbull on my Cummins 4BT3.9…
So.. anways.. On MPG increase with a turbo, I have to disagree. I have seen several turbo cars that with the turbo disconnected or locked up.. the mpg went up exponentially.
Ive never seen ones mpg increase with it. I don’t know anyone on earth that has that sort of willpower with the right foot.
09-28-2010, 12:59 PM
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It is history, under the "pointless" section. I believe it has already been said that williamsven is trying to reinvent the NA rabbit diesel. There is nothing but his own dillusional mind to support his anti turbo rubbish.
09-28-2010, 01:05 PM
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09-28-2010, 02:32 PM
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I just keep lusting after that Top Gear Diesel Hilux they took to the North pole----i would give a one family jewel for that truck
I did find this thread interesting in that he said he puts everything in his tank--grease, fluids....etc...Curious how that would work out or even works
I did find this thread interesting in that he said he puts everything in his tank--grease, fluids....etc...Curious how that would work out or even works
