OIL PAN: RTV or Gasket?
08-26-2012, 01:20 PM
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For the record, and for those of us that avoid the stealership like the plague, so does "the other guy".
Permatex® Water Pump & Thermostat RTV Silicone Gasket
And the Prius wouldn't be the only example of that either(not by a LONG SHOT). They actually use RTV on all their water pumps these days. Including on engines originally designed to use a solid-type gasket. Been that way for a couple decades or more now. Which you ought to know BTW, Mr. Toyota Tech.
And, since when did they stop using 08826-00100(1 of the OEM black types available) for that? What's the part number for the new stuff they use on the Prius(if different)? How are you able to establish the claim for it being "coolant safe", as opposed to "better suited for use in coolant sealing applications than 00295-00103(the other black type) or 00295-00102(the Ultra Grey equivalent no longer used) which it supersedes"? Or, do you really think the FIPG they've been using for 20+ years on water pumps is going to be as good or better than the MUCH newer RTV(just released by Permatex the year before last) on the market designed specifically to be used as such? That last question's rhetorical.
Look, I know MUCH more than you about what you do(despite never having worked for Toyota or as a professional "tech"). So speculation of that sort doesn't escape my attention unchallenged. You can state your superiority over the rest of us until you're blue in the face. Means jack squat to me. Sorry, it's just not a good idea to even mention the words "Toyota Tech" or "ASE Certified" in my presence. I eat you guys for breakfast.
Permatex® Water Pump & Thermostat RTV Silicone Gasket
And the Prius wouldn't be the only example of that either(not by a LONG SHOT). They actually use RTV on all their water pumps these days. Including on engines originally designed to use a solid-type gasket. Been that way for a couple decades or more now. Which you ought to know BTW, Mr. Toyota Tech.
And, since when did they stop using 08826-00100(1 of the OEM black types available) for that? What's the part number for the new stuff they use on the Prius(if different)? How are you able to establish the claim for it being "coolant safe", as opposed to "better suited for use in coolant sealing applications than 00295-00103(the other black type) or 00295-00102(the Ultra Grey equivalent no longer used) which it supersedes"? Or, do you really think the FIPG they've been using for 20+ years on water pumps is going to be as good or better than the MUCH newer RTV(just released by Permatex the year before last) on the market designed specifically to be used as such? That last question's rhetorical.
Look, I know MUCH more than you about what you do(despite never having worked for Toyota or as a professional "tech"). So speculation of that sort doesn't escape my attention unchallenged. You can state your superiority over the rest of us until you're blue in the face. Means jack squat to me. Sorry, it's just not a good idea to even mention the words "Toyota Tech" or "ASE Certified" in my presence. I eat you guys for breakfast.
And I can get pictures and a part number of the "Coolant safe FIPG" which is still black.
08-26-2012, 01:52 PM
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Toyota Seal Packing Black 1282B or Threebond 1282B part number 08826-00100
Toyota Seal Packing 1282B(P/N 08826-00100)
Threebond 1282B
What I would like from you, but have absolutely no expectations of getting, is how you're able to substantiate the claim of it being "Coolant safe FIPG". Maybe that's something you can get a picture of(though I VERY highly doubt it). But if I'm to believe it because you say it's so, you can forget that idea altogether.
I'm not asking you to stay out of any threads. Just stay off your high horse and we'll get along just fine. I'm not in THE SLIGHTEST bit impressed with your so called technical knowledge(IOW, I don't care WHAT you do as a "Toyota Tech", you people are unqualified IMO). And I'm going to give you fair warning right now. DO NOT TRY AND SCHOOL ME ON ANYTHING REGARDING TOYOTA(OR ANYTHING ELSE AUTO MECHANICAL RELATED). Are we clear on that? You'll just end up making yourself look bad. We don't want that now do we?
Everything you ever wanted to know about Toyota's black FIPG (102) and/or (103) for oil applications and more.
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08-26-2012, 02:25 PM
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I generally use The Right Stuff gasket maker. Can be found at any parts store.
Its not factory but it in fact works.
Edit: I'm not ASE certified.
Its not factory but it in fact works.
Edit: I'm not ASE certified.
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08-26-2012, 02:53 PM
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Toyotas sealant part number tech tip:
https://www.yotatech.com/forums/f123...-chart-251907/
I use Toyota FIPGs on some things and Ultra Black or Ultra Copper on other with dimilar success
https://www.yotatech.com/forums/f123...-chart-251907/
I use Toyota FIPGs on some things and Ultra Black or Ultra Copper on other with dimilar success
08-27-2012, 09:08 AM
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Definitely just use fpig. I would recommend using toyota's black fpig as well. Stuff is great. I changed mine several times and tried just the gasket, the gasket and fpig, and fpig. The only time it hasn't leaked is when I used just fpig and that's what is still on it. Not a drop of oil has fallen from it since then.
08-28-2020, 12:18 PM
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hello , when you say you used FIPG on all oil pans , does that mean you used it with a oil pan gasket ( cork or ) or just FIPG by itself?
08-28-2020, 01:15 PM
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08-28-2020, 08:46 PM
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Half way through reading this thread I skipped tto the end.. Toyota FIPG is not in away relevant to RTV you buy in the big box parts store. FIPG sets in hours (sub hours) where your counter sold RTV requires 10-24 hours before you can perform the final torque.
Basically in the factory the Toyota spec fipg is set up before it reaches the next station, your shelf RTV requires 12-24 hours before you can do the final torque.
I have three no less than three cork based gaskets collecting dust over FIPG and RTV rubber. Can You use the cork gasket yes, but I'm not placing my money on it. (Fwiw I still skim coat all my non exhaust gaskets in shellac or rtv if they aren't spec to Toyota standard).. OEM or coat it it!
Basically in the factory the Toyota spec fipg is set up before it reaches the next station, your shelf RTV requires 12-24 hours before you can do the final torque.
I have three no less than three cork based gaskets collecting dust over FIPG and RTV rubber. Can You use the cork gasket yes, but I'm not placing my money on it. (Fwiw I still skim coat all my non exhaust gaskets in shellac or rtv if they aren't spec to Toyota standard).. OEM or coat it it!
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08-29-2020, 07:07 AM
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What a thread! Thanks for pulling this out, I had some good laughs from it. And maybe learned something?
My 20r has a cork gasket style pan, as seen on the left in the lce pic. Some people still use rtv on it, but thats a discussion for a different forum...I doubt anyone here has swapped a 20r into their truck.
My 20r has a cork gasket style pan, as seen on the left in the lce pic. Some people still use rtv on it, but thats a discussion for a different forum...I doubt anyone here has swapped a 20r into their truck.
09-04-2020, 03:25 PM
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I’ve removed all of the oil pan bolts...can’t get the pan off. Looks like a cork gasket in there and RTV also. Not sure if the PO put RTV between the cork gasket too. I’ve been trying to get a razor blade in there. Maybe I should get out the torch and heat it up? kidding, but I’m out of ideas how to get it off without damaging it.
09-04-2020, 03:59 PM
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I’ve managed to get a razor through between most of the pan and block but not the rear of the pan. Some brackets may need to be removed.....That’s what I get for saying it sounds easy! 
09-04-2020, 04:35 PM
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I did mine recently. I cut in as best i could on the rtv on the front corner with a razor knife then pried with a screwdriver. Once it starts to go, it goes. Use a wire brush on a drill to remove the old rtv. I used an entire tube of rtv, no gasket. It worked fine with no leaks.
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